Hey! I'll have my design done by this evening and posted later tonight!

Yup, I agree with Elemental, it was a little too close for comfort, but when I first saw Elemental's design, I thought 'wow, this one looks almost like my own design' which I haven't posted yet, but now, I have changed. Really, all the submissions are going to be similar, because the contest is pretty clear on what is wanted. I do agree with CH1P as well though, keep your best efforts until the last moment, that's what I always do! :)

*Nods*

That's why you save your concentrated efforts until the last minute, or at least until the threshold of successful infringement is passed (we don't believe violations of the nature exist until they happen to us directly). All of these are starting to look the same , yet each have their own unique twists thus far. As a third person, I wouldn't be able to support a "blatant copy" claim, but in order to avoid feeling that way, hold your cards until the right time.

Geez 13Star, way to copy my design almost to the letter.. Try and be original pal.

that "ass" comment was pretty amusing. And I agree a celtic design does take a little more time and effort especiall hand drawn! glad you gave us more time I'm sure you'll get alot of entries before the deadline. Also I was just wondering..Did you like what i did with the tiger and the wolf in my first design? or would you like something changed? thanks again for all your input :)

Im working on a design im a little slow with illustrator though, hopefully i can get this in before deadline...

Your right about copyright laws, however if a design is changed by 10% it legally becomes a different piece of artwork, but its a fine line, you dont have to copy it exactly, but I really like the design, do what you can without breaking any rules I suppose would be my guess.

Yea after I wrote it I'm like, Um.....hmm no edit button

"in essence all 3 animals are springing to life well basically from my ass seminally" Sorry that gave me a great laugh i just had to share that.

As the contest-holder, what is the LOD (Level Of Detail) you want in this design(1-10)?
The LOD can match the Norse Wolf, keeping that LOD should be enough that you can make out what it is without losing detail over time, I also want to stress, you CAN straight up copy that wolf, I love it 100% so if you WANT TO you can. Consider is a base design to format everything else.

Are you partial to a considerable or conservative use of black outline?
This is a tough question, but I think someone in between, black outline can be over done, however, they are usually often required when making details seem to pop. I would say thin black outlines, but again - reference the wolf, what ever your perception is of outlines that you think the wolf is - is what I think outlines should be.

Should we influence depth of field and perspective with the color gamut?
Not really, in essence all 3 animals are springing to life well basically from my ass seminally, however the notion is that they spring from rebirth on one particular plane, so dont worry about the depth of field, however don't be easy on the LOD of the flames around al the animals - also Dont cover the animals in flames that they can't be identified, one design so far seemed to mask them - remember, V shaped design the flames start low the animals come each sprouting left and right with fames at their bases then quickly form themselves then above them the phoenix rises unto a hugh plume of fire - careful not to make the head of the phoenix look like a chicken, it should be more HAWK like. Google Phoenix in pictures and see what I mean, there are a ton of flaming phoenix pictures to reference.

You wanna dominate the scene when you take your shirt off in the bed or in the bar?
The design speaks for itself, its not really a status symbol for me, its a resemblance of who I am - it represents my strong ties that I have to my 6 dogs and my 4 cats - the phoenix is myself, being a buddhist I believe in reincarnation, there can be no better symbol of that then this mythical bird. My next tattoo will be of tortoises and hermit crabs - I would have included it in this one but I thought it would have been to difficult to integrate and look good.

Then again, do want to be 100% satisfied and confident that your art not only meet/exceeds your personal expectations now, but looking in a magazine or going to a convention 6-10 years from now and saying "my back piece is still top-ranking, guaranteed."?

What people think of it is irrelevant to me, what I think of it is pivotal. It is an extension of who I am and shall always be.

This contest interests me mostly because a tiger is as remote as you can get from Irish/Celtic/Nordic mythos, hehe :D. The challenge to create a convincing design that can be buried in a neighborhood library time capsule is way more alluring than the prize money LOL

Excellent. Please, make liberal use of the ratings system. I do have a question:
As the contest-holder, what is the LOD (Level Of Detail) you want in this design(1-10)? Are you partial to a considerable or conservative use of black outline? Should we influence depth of field and perspective with the color gamut? Not to be demanding of details, but in all honesty, you're monetarily and faithfully seeking a design that will be on your back for he rest of your life and it should be taken seriously, artistically and aesthetically. I'm not going to grow a pair of anus-lips and say I'm the person for the job, but I bet it's not a secret that within the last 24 to 8 hours, this contest is going to be bombarded with high caliber design (which I oh-so look forward to competing with on a global scale :D ) considering the reward offered. I'm just putting a few questions out there that the last minute snipers really want to know the answers to. You wanna dominate the scene when you take your shirt off in the bed or in the bar? Then again, do want to be 100% satisfied and confident that your art not only meet/exceeds your personal expectations now, but looking in a magazine or going to a convention 6-10 years from now and saying "my back piece is still top-ranking, guaranteed."? That is why I ask the questions. No offense.

I had no idea I could rate the designs! Ill figure out how to do it now.

That my first design is probally not quiet what your looking for. Probally not celtic enough. I'm glad you posted another sample image to help see that, tho please try and give feedback sometime, or atleast rate the designs for your artist. Its almost offensive when you don't. Artist tend to put in alot of time and work just for that purpose, as artist we know how to take critizism, it helps us understand what we can improve on. Being that said, and seeing your new sample image, I will try again.

The new image is now posted in the description.

Cant wait to see the new sample, i will work harder on making into the "V" shape.

you don't have too use a computer to do it, I almost regret even putting that in the description, I am sending creative tattoo another picture that is very close to what I want as the phoenix though it is very light in detail, it represents what I meant about the "V" however it does not have the tiger nor the wolf in it. Don't copy this design but use it as reference, its something I myself did a long time ago i simply did not finish it because I could not put enough detail into it. I just emailed it to them so hopefully it will be up soon for you to look at.

I think I will start a computer drawn one for my next entry. Is there something you didnt like that shouldnt be in the next one, or something you would want to see more of?

Thank you for understanding my feelings on people who use cgi's-vs-free-hand, which is more personal to alot of artists and they're thought, feelings, love and soul they put into all the hard work we do. Thank you, thank you for extending the deadline. I'm still working on the wolf and have started on some of the tiger. The Phoenix is the main focus and center of the design which i will start last to be able to incorporate it properly into the rest of the design. FYI, this design I'm creating has alot of flames/fire throught the whole design. I hope I didn't offend you in anyway earlier with what I was saying and if I did please accept my apology. Have a wonderful evening and it's back to work for me on the design, 10 hours 2day so far. Take care.

Groovy

Several artists requested a few extra days to accommodate the size of this design request. - Admin

I just want everyone to know that even though the description talks about computers and layering I have no problem with hand drawn designs, computer or by hand, as long as its what I'm looking for thats all that matters!

I'm glad your open to the idea of having an animal above another because That exactly what my first design has! lol I should have it up today as well, my designs are also hand drawn so I hope you like it ^_^

Appended Description (November 19 2009 3:47pm)

Oh I know, basically if your drawing it by hand or drawing it on a computer, if you draw anything that is suppose to be one combined piece in the final production it's considered drawing in "layers" at least in the digital world.

Someone gave me the idea of have the wolf above the tiger or vice versa to accomplish the "V" shape of the phone design, I would be very open to that idea everyone. I have extended the deadline as well for this piece of art.

I don't want you to misunderstand what I was saying about creating the design in sections. I use no CGI's in any of my designs I draw. Mine are all done free hand, all the way my friend. I work very hard on perfecting them and sometimes it takes me 20-30 trys of earasing one little part until it's right. I don't care at all for cgi's or those who use them to make all their designs. I have the design that your requesting in 3 sections and i can assure you that I am giving it my all just like every one of my pieces I create. I hope you will like it cause actually, it's looking pretty badass. Have a groovy, far-out day my friend.

Groovy

Thank you for further helping me understand this piece. They way you picture it is very creative, thanks for the feedback I will try my best not to dissapoint. :)

Yes I would discourage blue and green flames, to me the phoenix symbolizes rebirth of me and my animals, as I am very close to my dogs and cats, the logo in the center of the phoenix symbolizes me, thats why it needs to be in the chest areas as the phoenix is me, so consider it being my heart.

Just an idea, with the desgin i am drawing, i have rapid flames coming out of the pheonix, would you discourage any blue or green flames? Also about the celtic logo, are you positive on the placement in the middle of the pheonix? or could it be worked in above it's head inbetween the arched wings where it still stands out? just a thought. I think you'll be impressed either way :)

The layers thing was strictly for people working on computers, I DONT NEED vector art, but its handy for sizing, the most important thing is the artwork, how it gets there is irrelevant. But obviously the tattoo artist reproducing it has to be able to recreate it!

So, do you want us traditional artists to give this a go? I'm sure I could come up with something nice, but I really don't want to spend litterally hours upon hours drawing and coloring something if you won't choose it simply because it's not a digital image with layers?

The section pan sounds fantastic to me, its a good way to design things, in computer terms we call that "layering"

I was just reading your comment after the one I left just a bit ago. I dig what you're wanting and I think you'll be pleased with the design I'm working on and hopefully your response will be what other people have said, "That's Badass " when they catch a glimpse of the design I'm creating. Let me know, if you would please, about the comment I made just before the one you just posted.

Groovy

I just want to reemphasize that I would like this design to relate heavy on Celtic patchwork, I love the patchwork. Think Norse mythology, Beowulf...ect..

Since this is a full back piece I've started working on one section at a time and would like to be able to show you each section of it when I'm done with that particular part and then I will start incorporating them into the full design which I will do completely seperate. This way if by some chance, (Miracle), you choose my design, you will be able to have each section seperate so you may make any changes as you see fit. Thanks for your time and have a groovy, far-out day my friend.

Groovy

The phoenix was basically be what you would expect with a bird of flames, black, red, orange. The tiger and wolf can be mostly black with some flames within them but remember heavy patchwork and make them large enough to see them (as I made the sample I made them too small)

Was just wondering, you said you wanted a colored piece...so other than black and red what other colors do you like?, and would you prefer dark colors or lighter colors?

The height and weight described in the the listing is accurate to my back. I am 5'11" Tall, Shoulder to shoulder is 15" and 18" tall from the nape of my neck to the bottom

How tall are you and how wide is your back? If the designs start to get too small your artist will have a difficult time giving you what you want. Also over time it will start to blob together. Thanks

I'm open to ideas, I do believe however that my center image portrays the wold and tiger smaller then I would have liked, so making them larger is ok, different positions is also an option ans long as it falls within a celtic pattern.

Please stay away from : Tribal or Asian Themes, Also no boarders around anything.

in concept, imagine a tree of life to which all three animals are reborn again.

Hi, just one thing, do you want the wolf and tiger exactly as they look in your reference image or is there possible to make some changes of the pose or style of both animals
Thx.

I just want to reiterate to everyone trying this design that I want it tapered to the center of the lower back to form a V of sorts, much like the design I made that is in the sample, that means wife at the top and narrow at the bottom - The Tiger and Wolf should be about 25% of the size of the Phoenix. No borders around the phoenix only fire and flames around all three animals. PLEASE ask me any questions if you have any doubts and I will be glad to instantly answer them.

Thank you for the clarification on the artwork. Much appreciated my friend. Have a good one.

Groovy

To Clarify:

The Artwork is :
Phoenix (Large)
Wolf (Smaller)
Tiger (Smaller)

Everything else is for reference, it should in essence look like the center image in my sample picture.

Please let me know if you have any more questions!

LOL, I'm right there with ya. I noticed that too. DUH!!! on my part.

Yea right after that comment I made an update correcting myself, I havn't been able to figure out how to edit comments I make I can only make new ones

Howdy Beowulfkaine,

Hope all is well with you!! I have a question about the design your requesting. In the description for the design it says, "Wolf, Tiger and Phoenix" but I noticed in one of your comments you have, "tiger, dragon & phoenix". I'm so confused on which one your wanting a design to be created for you? Have a groovy, far-out day my friend.

Groovy

Yes, You are correct, the dragon is there STRICTLY for knot-work reference for the wold, the tiger and the Phoenix

Am I correct in that the dragon is just there for the knotwork reference?

Also the tiger design now isn't very celtic, I would like the inside of the tiger/dragon/phoenix to match the patchwork of the dragon b/w sample I submitted.

Thanks

SBK

UPDATE:


I MEANT THE TIGER AND THE WOLF NOT PHOENIX

The tiger and phoenix should be smaller, but you can adjust the size as needed, but just keep in mind that the main focal point should be the phoenix and that the tiger and wolf emerge along with the phoenix from fire. The personal symbol is the center black line, if you can see it its S/K - so if you remove the celtic circle that is basically it, you can recreate the celtic circle its in completely, it was there for symbolic reference. Please let me know if I have not answered your questions sufficiently.

Scott Beowulf Kaine

Did you want the tiger/wolf smaller, like in your sample drawing-- or about the same size as the phoenix? Also, do you have a larger picture of your personal symbol?